Whataboutism

“Even if society would stop being religious, people would find some other justification to kill each other.” -Religious People

  1. Just because we can’t fix all problems doesn’t mean we should fix none.
  2. Of the two most predominant justifications for war, land and religion, one is an indispensable requirement for inhabitants of this planet while the other (some have argued) exists solely in our imagination?

 

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Curious

not-listenIf religious people would present their position as hypotheses, and not as conclusive fact, I’d have no argument with them, but instead they espouse with absolute certainty flagrantly unverifiable claims.

Fear of the unknown?

4aa70802105be755f7c66855ba5d9bd7Since throughout history virtually all societies have practiced one form of religion or another, and the teachings of most religions are incompatible with each other, it must be that (either God is purposefully disseminating contradicting information to different groups, in which case he is not ‘good’, as all religions claim he is, or it must be that) all, or at least the majority of religions are false. Yet members of every religion are so convinced that theirs is the one true one, that they surrender their lives and that of their children in service to it. This illustrates how it is something other than knowledge of truth, which compels us to religion.

What’s in a name?

Deistic Theism vs Non-deistic Theism

Deism and atheism are effectively the same thing, and failure to acknowledge this may prove to be humanity’s greatest weakness.

To the extent that our actions are influenced by our position pertaining a god, there are essentially just two positions, those who believe God punishes and rewards our behavior, and those who don’t. In other words, those who believe there is no god, and those who believe in a non-intervening god are consequentially identical in contrast to those who believe God does intervene. Yet from the litany of words identifying the spectrum of ideological positions, we have none that definitively identify this single most critical distinction.

Commonly accepted definitions:

  • Theist = One who believes there is a god.
  • Atheist = One who believes there is no god.
  • Deist = One who believes there is a non-intervening god.
  • Agnostic = One who holds no position on the existence of a god.

Considering ‘deism’ to be a form of ‘theism’, as it typically is, conflates the notion of ‘deism’ with ‘non-deistic theism’, therein allowing ‘non-deistic theists’ to defend their position by merely defending ‘deism’, as is done all too often with statements like “the complexity of the universe is evidence of an intelligent designer”, this argument in no way addresses scripture, prophecy or any other form of post-creation intervention.

The same extends to the words ‘atheist’ and ‘agnostic’. ‘Atheist’ is accepted as meaning “one who believes there is neither a ‘deistic’ nor a ‘non-deistic’ god”, two vastly different positions. ‘Agnostic’ is accepted as meaning “one who holds no position on the existence of both a ‘deistic’ and a ‘non-deistic’ god”, again, two vastly different positions.

Many terms have been coined to specifically articulate this distinction, yet somehow they seem to always become redefined, losing their original intent. ‘Religion’ for instance is now accepted as meaning ‘any strongly held position’, effectively rendering ‘atheism’ to now be considered a ‘religion’, the very thing it’s meant to object.

Is it possible that most of humanity regardless of whether they believe, don’t, or are indifferent to the notion of a creator, find utterly ridiculous the claim that this creator wrote a book giving a particular human (Abraham) a particular piece of land, split a sea or suspends nature in any way, yet because there are no appropriate terms identifying us, we remain unacknowledged and dominated by fanatics?

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Atheism is an objectively more rational position than is religion.

4 people weighing in on 3 issues, all except the 1st person agree on issue A, all but the 2nd person agree on issue B, and all but the 3rd person agree on issue C. Since the 4th person is the only one holding positions not contested by the majority of the group, he has the highest probability of being correct.

All religious people agree with atheists about the invalidity of all religions other than their own, making atheism the most corroborated position of them all.

In addition, when pressed, many religious people will concede that their position is not even rooted in reason to begin with.